John Davis

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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  John Davis

  Then you're a really good forensic IT Specialist or a fantastic linguist. And good for you.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  John Davis

  Well then you have already made up your mind without any actual evidence. Good for you.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  John Davis

  I love how if someone has a different opinion than the popular opinion then they must be evil or be someone else. How do you want me to prove that I am not this Richard Oliver please tell me and I will prove it to you.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  John Davis

  When someone in normal English conversation says "why would you bring that up?" that is usually a rhetorical question of why would you bring that up it has nothing to do with anything. If that is not what you meant I am sorry. I was using that in common English vernacular of what I have heard all my life.

  So why did I bring up a thread from 5 years ago? Well if we all think that Watchtower's old feelings on things is fair game so is everyone's else's old feelings on things. But this is a clear example of how some people think that it is perfectly ok to align themselves with people who will commit crimes or aid people who will commit crimes if the outcome they feel is noble.

  Some people may have changed their minds in the last 5 years and after Zalkin and the ARC have received the records and have seen that legal means can work just as effective. Some people may not have changed their view or have become even more hardline that all means, including those that are illegal, must be used to fight the fight. It is a legitimate use of a previous post.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  John Davis

  So I shouldn't bring up anything that is over a certain number of years. What is the number of years is the maximum that I should be allowed to bring up?
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  John Davis

  I was reading this thread and it made me think about this subject.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/228408/anonymous-message-watchtower?page=16

  Like I said earlier a number of people on that thread were promoting the breaking of the law to get something accomplished.

  Since then there has been a number of developments that were completed through legal means and wanted to see how people still think on the subject.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  John Davis

  Like JP said probably no one has ever been charged or even sued over recording a JC. My intention wasn't to frighten people. If you're going to record a JC or a conversation with Elders or the Branch my post probably ain't going to change that.

  I also did not intend to focus solely on the recording of conversations and I am sorry if I made it sound like that, but there are a ton of other things that people have done that is considered illegal for what they view as the right reasons.

  So I guess the real question is do you think that the ends always justify the means?
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  John Davis

  I did not mean to accuse anyone of breaking any laws or putting fear into anyone. I did not intend to put in my opinion, I was just wondering what other people's opinions are. I only gave my opinion when I was asked to give it. Obviously different states and different countries have different laws. But the question still stands do you think it is right to break the law if you think it is for a good cause.
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  Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

  by John Davis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

  how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

  there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

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  John Davis

  Listener:

  I had said that we all break laws from time to time such as speeding and other issues but I wouldn't willfully break a felony at least in my country of the US.

  For your first point about the seatbelt. I would buckle them up if I could, if it was too dangerous for me or caused them more injury I wouldn't even drive them in my car because if I buckled them up or not it would still be too dangerous and put them in more harm's way. I am not sure what you mean by parking illegally, I guess by leaving my car in an illegal zone for a few moments till I get some help from the staff and get back into the car, then I guess you are correct I would be willing to break that law.

  Your question on military service, I have never thought about that but I guess because it would be a major violation of the law then I would comply with the requirement to serve.

  I never stated that Watchtower has never or never will break the law. I think they have broken the law both in the USA and around the world. And it is up to the governments of those countries to decide how they want to prosecute them. And whether the people who had actually committed those crimes were willing to go to prison for their crimes or not was their own decision.

  I think it is a fallacy to correlate committing a felony or a federal crime with that of not putting someone seat belt on or parking illegally. It is not like there is a state law that says well you're not allowed to record a person without their permission only if you are recording a JW Elder, no the law is that you're not allowed to record someone without their permission under any circumstances. It is are you willing to obey the law no matter what your motive may be either good or bad.

  Even on this site a few years ago there are about 30 plus pages of people encouraging the group Anonymous to try and hack and retrieve the paedophile database of Watchtower. In fact, some were even trying to give them suggestions or beg them to commit a very serious crime. Annonymous may be considered in that instance as a hero organization but by the US Government and most Western Nations they are considered a Terrorist organization that has the capabilities of killing more people than has ever been killed by any other terrorist act in the history. Was that the way that the information was actually put into someone else's hands by the use of a criminal organization or by legal means by going through the courts or by the use of Legislation that put into effect the ARC.

  If a family member is killed by someone, you may feel like going and hunting that person down and killing themselves in vengeance but is that right, is that the moral thing to do? No. The right thing the moral thing and the legal thing is to let the law take care of it. Even if the person gets off, you will be justifiably angry and hurt but does that give you the license to seek vengeance on your own? No. In fact, if you do seek vengeance guess who will be spending the rest of their life in a 5X10? That will be you.
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  Is There Anywhere To Go for an Outed JW elder/pedophile enabler?

  by mrmagic in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  since the australian royal commission, a lot of jw elders have been outed for either being pedophiles/molesters or for enabling it.

  the jw elders who enabled it, are publicly outed to their community online and offline.

  it's become a congregational matter with the entire kingdom hall and someone said that this elder would lose his eldership possibly, due to it "being known in the congregation and community" that he enabled child sexual abuse.

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  John Davis

  You may want to be careful of what you accuse people publically like on reviews and posting things on social media. Recently a court awarded a photographer over 1 million dollars because the person who hired him denigrated them on social media sites because they weren't happy with the service provided.

  Taking retribution out on someone even if they are in the wrong and your in the right may come back and bite you in the butt if they want to make a big deal that you had destroyed their reputation without proof or without them being convicted of doing anything.